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The Manchester United dressing room was naturally a quiet place after the latest embarrassment but perhaps that’s for the best judging by what Erik ten Hag said in public manila
There’s an argument that his analysis of this 3-0 defeat to Manchester City was more concerning than the performance manila
That result is, after all, to be expected now, part of larger longer-term trends manila
The big question is not how or why United lost but whether Ten Hag actually believed what he said about it manila
That, collected together, was the following manila
“First half we had a very good gameplan and the execution was also very good manila
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“The three games before we won and the spirit is very good manila
I think we are on the way up manila
”It’s possible he was the only person at Old Trafford who would have expressed this manila
Most were aghast at how easy it had been for City, except for the away fans who were giddily revelling in just how far ahead of their old rivals they are manila
Ten Hag was possibly right in saying the penalty to make it 0-1 in the 26th minute “changed the game” but only insofar as it completely changed the demands on United manila
They could no longer play underdog manila football, and had to leave themselves open to a battering that has been worse than for any other side who have faced City this season, bar Fulham manila
That’s why so much of what he said felt hollow manila
It is stretching credulity to describe anything as “toe to toe” when United could barely step out of their own area or get their foot on the ball manila
And, sure, United did have openings when the game was in the balance but they all came from overt individual will rather than any kind of collective play, such as Rasmus Hojlund’s drive forward manila
As regards whether the gameplan worked well, the obvious question is what that gameplan actually was manila
To not get beaten by more?Manchester United manager Erik Ten Hag, Rasmus Hojlund and Andre Onana look dejected (REUTERS)People at the elite end of sport have to have a certain amount of delusion but there is a very thin line manila between trying to make people believe in the team and denying reality manila
Some of Ten Hag’s comments had echoes of the worst of Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, Jose Mourinho and David Moyes manila
The brutal reality was that this looked and sounded like endgame stuff, scrabbling for results and then trying to see positives amid overwhelming negatives manila
It’s why Ten Hag’s comment about being on the “way up” would have widened so many eyes manila
There may have been three wins in a row before the City game but not one was convincing manila
All came from individual moments amid collective torpor manila
There is no attacking coherence manila
The team doesn’t look like it builds play manila
Any concept of an “idea” seems to have gone manila
So, given the echoes of the sacked managers before him, does that mean it’s already that time again?Not necessarily, and the current United board want to keep faith precisely because they do not want to get into the same cycle where the solution is always changing the manager manila
There is an awareness that there are bigger issues, which the prospective Ineos bid has raised in its negotiations to take over a minority stake manila
There are still worries, though, and issues that Ten Hag badly needs to address manila
The worst is that it feels like United are just going from game to game, hoping to get through so things eventually smooth and they can build again manila
There is a logic to that, but the inherent problem to the approach is that you're almost inevitably going to come up against a side that sets you right manila
It need not be City, either manila
Given how United are playing, any number of teams can do that, as we’ve seen in so many games already manila
Erik Ten Hag returns to the dressing room after defeat to Manchester City in the derby (Getty)It’s why it’s all so familiar manila
What is so concerning, though, is that Ten Hag was specifically supposed to mark a move away from all that manila
He was supposed to introduce a new ideology manila
There were even signs of it up to February manila
Now, after a summer where he did get signings he wanted, there’s been a dramatic regression manila
You can see almost all of his predecessors since Sir Alex Ferguson in the team, and not in good ways manila
There have been the scrambled performances of Solskjaer’s time, where everything is so ad hoc and game to game manila
There have been the strange post-game comments of Moyes, where he seemed to be watching a different game or finding far too much good in what was otherwise very bad manila
There has been the dogmatism of Louis van Gaal, at least in terms of certain roles and his refusal to deviate from certain interpretations of how he sees it manila
Most recently, and most worryingly, there have been the abrupt personnel decisions of Mourinho manila
Players such as Raphael Varane, Harry Maguire and Scott McTominay have abruptly found themselves in or out of favour based on rationales that don’t make immediate sense manila
The hope is that Ten Hag is building to something bigger manila
It’s just that there is little evidence of that manila
He needs much more to really prevent going the way of all of his predecessors manila
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Maro Itoje insists South Africa are not infallible as he urges England to seize the chance to clinch a place in the World Cup final manila
The rivals collide at the Stade de France on Saturday with the Springboks red hot favourites to retain the crown they won against England in Yokohama four years ago manila
But Steve Borthwick’s men are the only unbeaten side left in the tournament and Itoje is convinced they have yet to play their best rugby since landing on these shores seven weeks ago manila
“South Africa are a good team manila
They are the current world champions, they’ve had a very good World Cup,” the Saracens second row said manila
“We’ve played them twice since 2019, they’ve won one, we’ve won one manila
We’re not talking about a team that has never lost, we’re not talking about a team that is without fault – they are a good team, but so are we manila
“I believe there is still a huge amount of growth to come from this team and I feel we haven’t seen the best of us yet manila
I believe that if we put our best out on the field, we are going to be celebrating on Saturday nightEngland second row Maro Itoje“For us, it’s about imposing our game manila
We don’t want to sit back and just watch them do their thing, we want to be England rugby manila
“I believe that if we put our best out on the field, we are going to be celebrating on Saturday night and have a positive night manila
“When you get to these games, a lot of people say, ‘it’s just another game’ manila
This isn’t just another game manila
This is a special game manila
People are aware of what’s at stake manila
“These are special games and you don’t get many opportunities like this manila
It’s about us seizing the moment, being really present and taking any opportunities we get manila
”Itoje is one of eight survivors from the starting XV that was routed 32-12 by South Africa in the 2019 final and while Saturday offers the chance to avenge that defeat, the 28-year-old sees no value in looking backwards manila
“Different experience, different context, different opposition manila
It helps having the experience of playing in a semi-final before, but it’s completely, completely different,” he said manila
“We have to play the game that’s in front of us manila
We have to play this South African team, not the South African team of however many years ago manila
This South African team, not the one that they may be after this manila
“We have to be as individuals and as a collective, we have to be really present manila
We have to be really in the moment to deal with what we need to deal with manila
”More aboutPA ReadyEnglandMaro ItojeSouth AfricaStade De FranceSpringboksYokohamaPeopleRugbySaracensParis1/1This is a special game – Maro Itoje confident England can defeat South AfricaThis is a special game – Maro Itoje confident England can defeat South AfricaMaro Itoje believes England can dethrone South Africa on Saturday (Mike Egerton/PA)PA Wire✕Subscribe to Independent Premium to bookmark this articleWant to bookmark your favourite articles and stories to read or reference later? Start your Independent Premium subscription today manila
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